Time for churches to cut the cord re: gov’t?

wedNot too long ago, Gov. Pat McCrory and Speaker Tim Moore were telling us they could see no real need for a religious freedom restoration act. Where are examples of people’s religious freedoms being stomped on by government, they asked.  Oh, wait.  Here’s ONE: 

Within hours of the House giving final approval to a bill that would allow magistrates and other public officials to refuse to perform marriages for religious reasons, Gov. Pat McCrory vetoed the measure.

Senate Bill 2 would allow magistrates and employees of county register of deeds offices who object to same-sex marriage to recuse themselves from performing or recording any marriages, gay or straight, for a period of at least six months.

“I recognize that, for many North Carolinians, including myself, opinions on same-sex marriage come from sincerely held religious beliefs that marriage is between a man and a woman. However, we are a nation and a state of laws. Whether it is the president, governor, mayor, a law enforcement officer or magistrate, no public official who voluntarily swears to support and defend the Constitution and to discharge all duties of their office should be exempt from upholding that oath,” McCrory said in a statement. Officials said Friday that McCrory vetoed the measure late Thursday. […] 

We got here because an Obama-appointed federal judge — and buddy of Richard Burr — took a look at our state constitution’s marriage amendment and decided that Messrs. Adams, Franklin,  and Madison, et. al., would have been deeply offended by it. He didn’t find any specific wording in the Constitution contradicting this vote by the people of North Carolina.  It was his opinion.  (And we know what opinions are like.)

So, we are seriously going to surrender to the opinion of one Asheville lawyer?  Apparently, Gov. Pat is: 

Senate President Pro Tem and House Speaker said they “respect but disagree with” McCrory’s decision, but they stopped short of saying whether they plan to override it.bergerveto

“Senate Bill 2 is necessary because a bureaucracy failed to make reasonable accommodations and instead forced some magistrates to make an impossible choice between their core religious beliefs and their jobs,” Berger and Moore said in a joint statement. “A majority of the people’s elected representatives in both chambers agreed that this bill strikes an appropriate balance between the expansion of rights for some and our constitutionally-protected freedom of religion.”

The Senate has enough votes to override the veto, but it’s unclear whether the House could also sustain an override. The final House vote on the bill was 67-43, which barely meets the three-fifths threshold of present members for an override. […] 

Do you really think this stop here?  What will Gov. Pat and his friends say when the gaystapo starts suing Baptist churches across the state for discrimination because they refuse to partake in the “wedding” of Adam and Steve? 

I think there were good intentions behind SB 2, but it left way too much of an opening for leftists to tear it a new one.  I think the answer to this problem lies a lot closer to what the Alabama legislature is working on:

This week, the Alabama state Senate passed a bill that would end the practice of licensing marriages in the state, effectively nullifying both major sides of the contentious national debate over government-sanctioned marriage.

Introduced by Sen. Greg Albritton (R-Bay Minette), Senate Bill 377 (SB377) would end state issued marriage licenses, while providing marriage contracts as an alternative. It passed through the Alabama state Senate by a 22-3 margin on May 19.laugh

“When you invite the state into those matters of personal or religious import, it creates difficulties,” Sen. Albritton said about his bill in April. “Go back long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away. Early twentieth century, if you go back and look and try to find marriage licenses for your grandparents or great grandparents, you won’t find it. What you will find instead is where people have come in and recorded when a marriage has occurred.”

The bill would replace all references to marriages “licenses” in state law with “contracts.” The legislation would not invalidate any marriage licenses issued prior to the bill being passed.

The contract shall be filed in the office of the judge of probate in each county and shall constitute a legal record of the marriage. A copy of the contract shall be transmitted to the Office of Vital Statistics of the Department of Public Health and made a part of its record…

Effective July 1, 2015, any requirement to obtain a marriage license issued by the judge of probate is abolished and repealed.

PRACTICAL EFFECT

SB377 would accomplish two things.

First, it would render void the edicts of federal judges that have overturned state laws defining marriage. The founding generation never envisioned unelected judges issuing ex cathedra pronouncements regarding the definition of social institutions like marriage and the Constitution delegates the federal judiciary no authority to meddle in the issue. Marriage is a realm clearly left to the state and the people..

Second, the bill would get the state government out of defining marriage entirely as well, ending the squabble between factions that seek to harness the power of the state, thereby taking the burden off government officials who may be torn between what is legally required of them and their religious convictions.

The intent or motives behind this bill are a moot point. By removing the state from the equation, no one can force another to accept their marriage, nor can they force another to reject that person’s own beliefs regarding an institution older than government.

“Licenses are used as a way to stop people from doing things,” said Michael Boldin of the Tenth Amendment Center. “My personal relationship should not be subject to government permission.”

HISTORICAL BACKDROP

As a 2007 New York Times op/ed points out, for centuries marriage was a private affair.

“For most of Western history, they didn’t, because marriage was a private contract between two families. The parents’ agreement to the match, not the approval of church or state, was what confirmed its validity. For 16 centuries, Christianity also defined the validity of a marriage on the basis of a couple’s wishes. If two people claimed they had exchanged marital vows — even out alone by the haystack — the Catholic Church accepted that they were validly married.

In fact, the use of state marriage licenses for many years was a way of preventing people from entering into interracial marriages. Later, the NYT story recounts, the licenses became necessary in order to subsidize the welfare state.

“The Social Security Act provided survivors’ benefits with proof of marriage. Employers used marital status to determine whether they would provide health insurance or pension benefits to employees’ dependents. Courts and hospitals required a marriage license before granting couples the privilege of inheriting from each other or receiving medical information.”

Something that is rarely considered by those seeking to control the state’s definition of marriage is that a marriage license means a citizen requires the permission of their government before they can get married. A person cannot drive a vehicle, aside from limited circumstances, without a license. A person cannot practice law without a license, nor can they engage in medical care.

Put another way, marriage is not a right, or a religious institution, but a privilege the state grants us if we meet the conditions put upon us.[…]

10 thoughts on “Time for churches to cut the cord re: gov’t?

  1. Alabama is doing something that just makes too much sense. At least to this individual.

  2. Alabama is doing something that just makes too much good sense. At least to this individual.

  3. Burr ought to be hammered very hard on his support for that federal judge in the 2016 GOP Senate primary. It is disgraceful that he supported such a way out Obama liberal.

    1. Glen, it is long past time to get you back in the legislature. The incumbent in your House district has cast some significant liberal votes this session, and a good issue-oriented campaign could take him down.

  4. If the state gets out of the marriage business, then only churches will be in it. Then the churches will be sued for discrimination.

  5. “The battle over whether America remains Judeo-Christian or becomes secular like Europe is what this, the Second American Civil War, is about.” Dennis Prager

    The Governor really needs to read this article
    http://www.dennisprager.com/what-does-judeo-christian-mean/

    If so called conservatives fight against Judeo-Christian values then I just wish they would go ahead and change their voter card from R to a D

  6. First of all the state should have nothing to do with marriage. The license is just another tax burden and when divorce occurs we just keep making attorneys wealthier. No wonder many people choose the common law marriage route. Makes more sense to me.

    1. is not common law marriage still a form of marriage sanctioned by the government. It is a problem that the lack of marriage but people living together caused a the problem and the government had to create a method to deal it with?

      I do not see how the government not issuing marriage licenses will solve this problem. Seems like it is governments surrender to the the homosexual movement. Seems to me it will just lead to further breakdown of the family and even more problems for the government to have to deal with using our tax dollars to try to fix

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