Controversial NCGOP fundraiser spurs calls for changes to NCGOP POO
(Get your minds out of the gutter. It’s an acronym for “Plan Of Organization.”)
It seems that reports of a certain House Caucus fundraiser in Plymouth, North Carolina — of all places — are raising the hackles of a lot of the ground troops the NCGOP depends on at election time.
The Granville County GOP is the first party-affiliated organization to publicly step forward. They have issued some proposed changes to the party’s plan of organization:
It appears the good folks in Granville are proposing some additional minimum requirements for the party’s elected and appointed officials. One proposed addition is the requirement of a high school education. Another bars anyone who has EVER been convicted of a felony from serving in a party position anywhere from the local organzations to the state party organization in Raleigh.
The proposal appears to offer an exception for felons who have served their time and had all of their rights restored. It DOES take a hard-line on anyone convicted of a sex crime.
It will be interesting to see if we hear from anyone else.
Granville County GOP knocked it out of the park. If only a couple of those in leadership could hop over the county line & right the sinking ship that is the Wake County GOP…
Nevertheless, “Diversity King” & RINO extraordinaire Stephen Wiley should resign over such a tarnishing of the NC House Republican Caucus & in turn, the NCGOP. For a poltical consultant, he sure doesn’t have a great grasp of “optics”.
With respect to Wake County, be careful what you ask for. A Vance county friend of mine sent me a link (below) and told me to take a look at the other changes that Granville is doing. Apparently, Granville has pushed Vance and other counties to follow suit. Problem is that Granville is apparently changing their POO with a ton of changes that look like a huge power grab for the current Party leaders. I don’t care to see the Wake GOP Chairman holding that kind of power. We’ve already seen a steady erosion of decentralized power in the NCGOP. In many cases, for example, the State convention rules committee has given the convention chairman the power to rule a lot of motions from convention delegates for no obviously good reason, as being out of order. At least Wake and the NCGOP still allow nominations from the floor of the convention, Granville is eliminating that and stipulating that anyone interested in running for Party office has to go through an approval process overseen by the county chairman. I don’t think any conservative wants to see that practice spread throughout the NCGOP.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rX0ZdarV3PGL1UAotK64herDSACD1ypp/view
Toxhandler, just read their POO. WOW!!! Power grab all around. Among other things…. No nominations from the floor and ammendments approved by 11 member excom first before bringing to Convention…. WOW!!!
They should also add
banning the following
-women that have had abortions
-anyone that has been divorced
-anyone whos children are registered democrats
-anyone that is a member of a liberal church
But their current changes would read better if they scraped the first item off the list
What happened about forgiving people? Little harsh…
Tell that to the victims and their families. Where is your compassion? And where is your honor? Have you no interest in protecting our great and moral Conservative cause????
Here is my MAJOR problem with these efforts. The law deals with crime. Beyond that, we do not need “rules” to go beyond the law on behalf of voting members. Why should “leadership” decide my consideration of facts? Adultery is a crime in NC, DUI, etc.-the law deals with crimes. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO CONSIDER CONTEXT just as I did in dealing with Donald Trump’s taped comments about grabbing pussy-an assault, and the multiple rape accusations. We know FACTUALLY he is an adulterer as his Marla Maples affair that broke up his marriage played out in public. The VAST majority of folks coming after Mr. West support Donald Trump. AS DO I. Why do I? CONTEXT! If you asked a room of these pious asswipes generally, do you believe a young person living in a small rural county, dominated by long-standing Democrats who controlled law enforcement and everything else would falsely target a young man who was part of a family’s effort to have a healthy two Party system emerge in that County threatening their boss-hog Democrat power, they would holler ABSOLUTELY at the top of their lungs. If you asked whether two ambitious asst DA’s, best friends with a primary candidate with deep pockets would go after a young person who worked for the other primary candidate to damage that candidate politically, they would holler ABSOLUTELY. Could both of those young people be victim to a politically charged environment that made them fear the consequences of not agreeing to a plea deal? The answer again is absolutely! CONTEXT matters and members of the GOP have the right and are better equipped to consider CONTEXT in each individual case than some set of “leaders” sitting in their moral, hypocritical piousness making an absolute rule that takes consideration of context away. Hypocrites and tyrants and this Party has been plagued with them thinking they better than general members should decide.
Little harsh? Joking right? How about looking at the victim’s in this and saying sorry not sorry. How about realizing that the GOP is supposed to be the party of morals, ethics and values on one hand and on the other they are waving goodbye at that with the other hand while they wine and dine with the very criminals that they put away for injustices in the courtroom daily. How is that justice for victims? Better yet ask yourself if it was your daughter, child that was abused and you raised them to respect law enforcement and the judicial system and here it is revictimizing them, slapping them in the face OPENLY I might add for the almighty dollar just how would you explain that Grand Ole Party Principality then? Take one for the team? It’s for a good cause? If you also go do your homework you will see that they hosted one event in September at their home, Judicial Victory Picnic and there are numerous individual judges, county parties, and organizations that SPONSORED that event with them, where does it end? The Republican Party demands that the left be held accountable for their sins and actions much like the Jeffrey Epstein case and all of those individuals involved, yet the Republican party is turning a blind eye, wining and dining and holding fund raisers for the judicial candidates the very core of branch of which should be protecting the citizens in this state and doing a P-poor job of it. I have heard the statement well he has served his time, it is over…THERE IS NO END for a child victim of sexual abuse! That is a life-time sentence that they will have to be submitted to all at the hands of a supposed grown man taking advantage of their innocence and for any true REPUBLICAN to stand and defend that and then put them in any position of authority over decision making, policy making over county, district or state within this party SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. Re-evaluate your priorities morally and then that of the Original Grand Ole Party.
What I would like to see is minimum party leadership experience required for the position of state GOP chairman, vice chairman, national committeeman or woman, and district chairmen. They should have minimum experience serving the party in lower capacities for a number of years before being eligible for the higher positions.
Our current state chairman, who is prone to wanting to impose one man rule and who wants to cut the grassroots out of any influence is a prime example. of someone who should NOT be in the position he is in due to very minimal background of party experience before running for chairman. A couple of former Congressmen who had not held office within the party structure before being elected state chairman who were awful state chairmen are further examples.
This is much more critical to the party than the restrictions suggested by Granville County.
Exactly!!! your ideas seem perfectly reasonable and thought out….well honestly like they are 99.9% of all of your comments here
Thank you Jesus for someone of sound mind and reason. I hope people read through this entire thread. The posts by the “Judge” are extreme, accusatory of anyone with an alternate view, questioning their, “honor”, etc. Just WOW! Sounds like a very Personal vendetta to me. Is the, “Judge” going to be in charge of the investigation of all thepast & present of all the bad people to purge? Do we not have a legal system that deals with this? I am so fed up with our Party being so bogged down with power grabs and restricting access to the members. A huge focus in my opinion should be on a person’s track record with the Party before they become a Party leader. If you haven’t been involved in the work of the local Party in a substantial way and could have, why should you lead? Earn your gravitas. If you want a leadership position, demonstrate your abilities by working your way up and revealing your true ideas for governing. The District & County Parties should be very involved in the goals and acts of the State Party and I am hugely concerned about the effective Democrat strategy of taking out conservatives by fielding long-standing Democrats who waltz in to Party leadership and candidacies as supposed Republicans. We are not here to, “kiss the ring” of a select few. We are here to ensure our governing adheres to conservative governing principles. So now what, members vote on folks and then the “moral approval committee” gets to review the local decisions? Can we PLEASE, for once, focus on the business of the Party instead of A and B team obsessions? We eat each other alive. We do the work for the opposition! This “campaign” against some Republicans sound like exactly what the liberals would do to try and defeat us because they cannot win majorities with ideas.
I don’t know West well, but I have attended the Judicial events. I would support this if it was 5 years ago or 10 years ago. Harvey West has done a lot of work supporting our judicial candidates. He raised $30,000 at the last one. People may not like him, but we need people like him. We are going to see soon how it would help to have a majority on the NC Courts.
This is someone trying to settle a score. People do stupid things when they are young. We should judge this guy by what he is doing now. Not 20 years ago.
Thank you Brent for all of your coverage.
Young? He was a 28-year-old police officer. It is not like it was him 18 and her 16 and they went to high school.
He was a law enforcement officer charged in their care and he abused it. Supposedly there was not one girl, not two girls but three girls.
There are not many things that I would find unforgivable but the molestation of a child is not one of them. How dare you give this predator a pass.
How dare you.
What if it was your wife or daughter? My feeling is that his time served is over when his victims and their family’s suffering is over.
People like you are why the Republicans are an embarrassment across this country. Do you have any morals?
You sir are almost worse than the convict because you are justifying his behavior because he raised $30,000. Any one of you hypocrites could raise money for the judges or the caucus. If this was a democrat how would you react? The man is a bully and has continued to be a bully, especially around other women including my ex-girlfriend. Harassment and stalking.
I wish someone would compile a list of all the women he has harassed over the years.
According to the statute, the victims were under 15 years old. You are correct, Mr. West was about 28 years old at the time.
We all agree that forgiveness is possible and redemption is too. We all believe that convicted felons do not deserve to be ostracized from society. But this is not the issue. We are talking about the leader ship roles within the party, and the optics of political fundraisers with our speaker of the house and at the freedom caucus headlining the event.
Mr. West serving in these roles is inappropriate and everyone knows it. To protect this guy because he can raise money is a very weak fallback position.
Epstein had lots of money also sure seems like you would have welcomed him also what lack of morals you have. You are no better than a prostitute but you seem like a cheap one that can be bought for a few dimes
I don’t think West has killed himself like Epstein. I think they cleared his record. I would support this for 5 years out of 10 years out. This is just some New York RHINO leadership jealous or wanting to take him out.
Epstein did not kill himself
How do you know that? Please elaborate.
Your fake protestations over some supposed ax that county chairs have to grind with Mr. West is laughably transparent. You sound like an apologist for a convicted child sex offender – mostly because you are.
You wrote: “Harvey West has done a lot of work supporting our judicial candidates. He raised $30,000 at the last one. People may not like him, but we need people like him. ”
Do you realize how morally bankrupt and utterly craven you appear? Do you think that Regan’s 11th commandment applies to child predators, past or present, who want to lead our great and moral Conservative cause?? A notion that would surely see The Gipper rolling in this grave – along with Rush Limbaugh and William F. Buckley.
Now will you tell me why the NC Democrat Party will not allow leaders to serve if they have been convicted for child sex crimes, yet we have apologists on this thread clutching their pearls at the notion that Republicans would ever suggest such a measure? Because not pushing this measure makes us look morally bankrupt and utterly craven.
I, along with thousands of others, will not sit silently by while this man conducts high-level fundraisers in our name.
As a conservative, one of the huge problems I have with this fundraiser is that the money raised appears to go to the House caucus, which really means it will be controlled by liberal RINO Tim Moore and his establishment allies. Personally, I DO NOT give to any GOP caucus or related fund either at the national or state level because those funds will be prioritized for RINOs, not conservatives. Conservatives should be giving directly to conservative candidates. Screw the RINOs. They screw us all the time.
It would be great if someone (perhaps the Haymaker?) could compile a list of all the solid conservative primary candidates in the state so conservative contributors would know where to send their money. On the national level, one can just look at the endorsements of groups like the Senate Conservatives Fund.
We know what a liberal weasel Tim Moore is. He sold conservatives and Christians out to Roy Cooper on letting men into the ladies room, repealing HB2 early in Cooper’s first term. Now in Cooper’s second term, Tim Moore has sold out conservatives and NC electric ratepayers by backing Cooper’s NC Green New Deal, HB951. Tim Moore is little better than a Democrat. No, I do not want to raise money to be controlled by Tim Moore any more than I would if it were controlled by Roy Cooper.. They are two peas in a left wing pod.
A high school diploma is not a particularly meaningful qualification for party leadership and might even be seen as unfairly discriminatory. Excluding someone from a leadership position because they don’t have that particular credential could screen out someone who is highly qualified in every other way.
On the other hand, Reaganite’s suggestion that there should be a record of involvement in party leadership deserves serious consideration. The number of RINOs in Republican leadership positions, whether as party officials or elected officials, convinces me there should be some history of actually supporting the party’s platform in a meaningful way in order to be considered for a key role in party leadership.
While many Democrats have become Republicans because they were traditional liberals and their old party took a far-left turn, there are way too many Democrats who appear to have become Republicans because it was personally profitable. Republican voters – whether in Party elections or elections for government officials – need to realize that there is no mechanism in place to prevent corrupt individuals, whether Communists or crony capitalists, from claiming to be Republicans.
Where are the legislators supporting Mark Robinson and Dale Folwell? Public education, public health and public integrity are all under attack and we need more elected officials standing up for the public instead of bowing to Roy Cooper and his allies.
Fern, I agree with a number of your points! By checking the voting records of candidates or persons, this can sometimes help to know “some history of actually supporting the party’s platform,” i.e. know if they have supported the party platform in the past. Unfortunately this is only possible if they voted in a primary election. However, for those who have been Democrats and are leaving that party, checking their voting records will not be much help.
Each morning part of my prayers are to ask God’s blessing on Lt Gov Mark Robinson and ask for God’s continued guidance and wisdom upon him. I pray also for Dale Folwell and Rep. Larry Pittman because I believe these three men truly see themselves as servants of the people and thus “standing up for the public.”
W/o reading all of the pearl clutching, this has been in the works by the fab leadership of Lee Co. We have adopted much of their language…
As the Republican Brand is “free” to anyone that wishes to register, we are doing what we can to give our county and district parties teeth. They are not much… but until we can control who operates under our brand it is all we have.
We have RINOs in office w/ DUIs and candidates who ignore our local party and think they can run under our brand.
Our Primaries are wide open….. that sucks. We are free to be exploited.
That is not what we worked for.
So without the top brass not working, we down low will do what we can.
“Republican in Good Standing”…. should be the goal of every county party.
Perhaps then…. the club kids will pay attention.
Just to be clear, we were both born in N.Y., and we have been lifelong Republicans, with a documentable
conservative track record. The fact is the last 4 of 5 Granville County Chairmen have hailed from north of
the Mason-Dixon line. We’re not sure how the N.Y. RINO attack is even relevant, probably because it
isn’t.
We do not know Harvey West. We met him once on December 16, 2021 at our county meeting, only long
enough to give him my phone number. We started drafting the Granville County Plan of Organization
amendment around the second week of November. The first written iteration is dated December 6, 2021.
Our tenure in the leadership of the Granville County Republican Party began 03/27/2021. Truth is, we
don’t know very many folks in the party beyond our county. We have no knowledge of, “scores to settle”
or any idea about any, “history”. We have no history with anyone related to the Republican Party
Establishment, so it’s laughable to suggest we are “jealous or bitter” of people we don’t even know.
Here is what we do know. If you have been convicted of taking indecent liberties with a minor, you are
not qualified to serve in leadership for the Republican Party. This should be something that’s easy to agree
on, and we are shocked, and dismayed that some folks are having a tough time with this. This seems
obvious to us. Same as if you have been convicted of rape, murder, or any other heinous crime of moral
turpitude.
We submitted these suggested amendments to our own county executive committee on December 10,
2021. They passed as we expected. We’re certain they will be ratified at our upcoming convention.
Nothing in this amendment prevents anyone from hosting a fundraiser or lobbying for candidate or cause.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Chairman – Chad McHenry Vice-Chairman – Mike Magnanti
Secretary – Ridge Parker Treasurer – Tony Gooch
Finance Chairwoman – Stephanie Burris
Granville County GOP
PO Box 2235
Oxford, NC 27565
info@GranvilleGOP.org
What we believe is that in order to serve in Republican Party leadership at any level, you cannot have any
heinous crimes of moral turpitude in your pedigree. We believe that there are consequences for actions.
In response to feedback we received, we added “At its discretion, the respective committee may choose to
waive any portion of these requirements with a 2/3 majority vote of the quorum present”. This offers
discretion for extenuating circumstances and the judgment of the respective committee.
All of this said, we are not alone. After a cursory internet search, we have compiled a list of groups that
already have some type of similar minimum qualification provision in their governing documents.
NC State Democrat Party Perry County, PA Republican Party
Colorado State Democrat Party Lehigh County, PA Republican Party
Illinois State Republican Party Lancaster County, PA Republican Party
Iowa State Republican Party St. Clair County, MI Republican Party
Kentucky Commonwealth Republican Party Citrus County, Florida Republican Party
Missouri State Republican Party Rockingham County, NH Republican Party
Oklahoma State Republican Party Passaic County, NJ Republican Party
North Dakota Republican Party Cherokee County, GA Republican Party
NC Freemasons Houston County, GA Republican Party
Federal Employees Union Stanislaus County, CA Republican Party
ACLU of Alabama Granville County, NC Republican Part
University of Texas Faculty Association Lee County, NC Republican Party
Fraternal Order of Elks Vance County, NC Republican Party
Person County, NC Republican Party
Duplin County, NC Republican Party
Folks we are not breaking any new ground here, but in fact attempting to recapture the moral authority
from the Democrats in NC politics.
Chairman Chad McHenry
Vice-Chairman Michael W. Magnanti
100% agree with your reply and applaud you and your county party for taking a stand when clearly others are lacking the fortitude to do what is right. The party of Morals, Ethics, and Values is slipping away at the very hands of its own people because of turning a blind eye, allowing the invasion of the mentality that it is ok to be accepting and tolerant of this type of behavior…that is THE LEFTIST mentality, and it is working!
its not the Leftist mentality but the Godless mentality and none of the requirements listed above says anything about a persons real personal character and the place they get their foundational values that they try to live their life by
All of this BS and negativity is exactly why i have nothing to do with “ party “ politics. I support individuals that i feel are getting the job done. Do i agree 100% with each of those i support? …. Well no. So i’ll stay out of party politics and continue to support the individual…. Yall keep infighting, as opposed to attacking the real enemy….. Cooper , Stein , Biden , Pelosi , Schumer, AOC, Eric Holder , Anita Earls , Marc Elias et al.
And now on a late Fri we learn our elections and maps have been cancelled by the STATE SUPREME COURT that WE gave to the DEMS. Cooper IS RUNNING this state and the NCGA under the GOP leadership HAS FAILED AT EVERY TURN for the past several terms. A SUPER majority no more and likely will give the NCGA TO THE DEMS and Cooper, Stein…(THE ONES LEADING THE state and the NCGA by the nose)…..
I’m SO DISGUSTED with GOP leadership, GOP politics (WHY is McCrory RUNNING?) WE are taking on GREEN ENERGY in NC and the NCGA PASSED it FOR Cooper….FOR HIM.
We lost NC Supreme Court seats in both 2016 and 2018 because of really stupid things that the RINO leadership in the General Assembly did with election laws. The Haymaker called them out on those things immediately after they did them and the Haymaker was proven right when we ended up losing those court seats due to the legislative leadership’s stupidity.. We should have a fruitbasket turnover of both House and Senate leadership for that reason alone.
But that is not the only reason we need new leadership. Since Cooper took office Berger and Moore have been kowtowing to Cooper far too often on major issues. They betrayed the Republican base including Christians and conservatives in Cooper’s first term by repealing HB2, the bathroom privacy law, and instead kowtowed to Cooper and the Gaystapo. More recently, they kowtowed to Cooper, AOC, and Al Gore when they betrayed the Republican base, including conservatives and electric ratepayers to pass North Carolina’s Green New Deal, HB 951, which will cause our electric rates to soar just like a very similar law has done in Europe. Right now, they are still conspiring to kowtow to Cooper on the Obamacare Medicaid expansion, which would again be betraying the Republican base on a major issue.
And now on a late Fri we learn our elections and maps have been cancelled by the STATE SUPREME COURT that WE gave to the DEMS. Cooper IS RUNNING this state and the NCGA under the GOP leadership HAS FAILED AT EVERY TURN for the past several terms. A SUPER majority no more and likely will give the NCGA TO THE DEMS and Cooper, Stein…(THE ONES LEADING THE state and the NCGA by the nose)…..
I’m SO DISGUSTED with GOP leadership, GOP politics (WHY is McCrory RUNNING?) WE are taking on GREEN ENERGY in NC and the NCGA PASSED it FOR Cooper….FOR HIM.
We are still living under the curse of Bob Edmunds and Pat McCrory.
Yes, McCrory was and is a curse. His disaster of a term as governor is what gave us Roy Cooper.
As to Bob Edmunds, my information is that all the stupid crap that cost us that Supreme Court seat originated with Edmunds’ consultant, Paul Shumaker, but Edmunds unfortunately bought into it. First there was that nutty California-style “retention election” that was not Constitutional, then the idiocy of running the Supreme Court race as non-partisan, while the Court of Appeals ran partisan. Republicans won all the Court of Appeals seats because the ballot indicated who the Republican candidates were but lost the Supreme Court seat where it did not. House leadership was behind supporting the Shumaker plan as indicated by David Lewis insisting it not be changed after Rep. Mike Speciale argued in committee that the Supreme Court race should be partisan, too. David Lewis was Tim Moore’s right hand (or should I say left hand) at the time..
Tying those two together, RINO Shumaker is also the consultant for Pat McCrory’s Senate race.
Wow, this internal party acrimony will soon show up on every Democratic Palm Card. Just what we need. Before you know it the logo for our Big Tent Party will be a two man pup tent. I’m sorry, I mean a one man, one woman Pup Tent. Didn’t mean to insult the extreme religious right. Luckily all of us Republicans live in Glass Houses and we fear no stone being thrown our way.
Ya know, Rodney Dangerfield was right, tigers really do eat their young. Apparently, so do elephants. Just hope that the coming red wave is not our own blood from the self inflicted wounds we continue to inflict on ourselves. I remember a time when we focused on beating Democrats. Those were the days.
There’s always been internal acrimony. The operative word is “internal”. What’s new is that some Republicans decided to go public with their attack on another Republican. I remember former State Chairman Claude Pope specifically cautioning Party members against doing anything like this. We used to call that sort of thing “Party disloyalty” because it was more harmful to the Party than the targeted individual themselves.